i want to us do well. but, the current policies, the counterinsurgency, we will not call a counterinsurgency, nation building we will not call nation-building, they do not and cannot work. bill: there is an old statement, if that is the case, i'll take it at face value, what you said, there is an old statement that says you cannot kill your way out of this. do you believe that to be true, even today. >> the question is kill your way out of what? in dealing with al qaeda you can kill your way out of it. in dealing with the taliban you probably can't kill your way out of the it. because, there is a huge difference between iraq and afghanistan. bill, in iraq, al qaeda were also foreign invaders, and they turned out to be a lot less appealing than we are. in the southern and eastern parts of afghanistan, the taliban are the home team, we're asking the pashtun population to turn against their own relatives and, ultimately, the core problem is we cannot make afghans what we want them to want. bill: but the presi